girlcott! boycott! girlcott! boycott!

this is important... there are two sites out there, grrlgamer and riotgrrl , owned and run by this girl named nikki... she has proven herself to be unintelligent and bigoted against transgendered persons, lesbians, and young persons recently, which my friend lisa points out in her webpage about the subject... below is a thread from one of my frequent hangouts chainsaw records where we discuss this injustice and share the letters we have written to nikki... soooo please, write her letters, tell her how abusive she is of the name riot grrrl (a name which she has copyrighted the 2 r spelling of grrl) and that she should not believe herself to be a spokesperson for any grrrl...

the chainsaw records message board

in defense of kat, and in opposition to certain e-zines

Written by: nikki monster on 5/11/98 at 8:17PM.
i'm kind of surprised that nobody really had a response to the post that kat "liyaskitty" made to the board about a month or so ago. in case you missed it, or forgot, it was in reference to something that the writer of riotgrrl and grrlgamer said about transexuals. the editor criticized kat because of her age, and pretty much told her that her words weren't valid because she wasn't born a woman. WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS?

i don't know kat, and i might be being random and out of line, but it really saddens me that people just let that go without supporting her, and without a comment in either way. anyway, go look at the dialogue here. sorry to bring up an old issue. -nicole

Replies:

Reply from: kathleen on 5/11/98 at 8:28PM.
wow, thanks... i thought everyone just didn't care.;) ya know, i was surprised, too. i got one e-mail response... when i sent that to a mailing list i was on, which wasn't queer/girl-positive exactly, everyone was up in arms. oh well. i'm sure everyone does what they can. hugs and love forever, kat. (thanks again, btw:)

Reply from: Tracey on 5/12/98 at 2:19AM.
ack!!!! i just wrote this really long thing... and i erased it... but here let me start again... first i apologize to kat... i'm sorry... i didn't see the other post... not that i know of... now... what i was saying about this... that's really fucked up! you should have gotten the support that you need from this person... thanks to nikki for reposting about this btw... it's kinda odd 'cause lisa and i were just talking about this... weird *cue strange and eerie music*
okay... first off let me admit to some of my own past ignorances. .. i thought at one point in time that "changing" your gender was wrong... i thought that you should be happy with what you've got... and then... a good friend of mine told me he wanted to change his gender... because he didn't feel right the way he was... and in talking to him... and to some other intelligent people... i realized... that there is a large group of people out there who are literally trapped within' themselves... and that many people, not just the regular and expected conservative folks but also people like us, discriminate against them... and i thought about how i felt... how i know that what i feel is not some phase and is not wrong... and is the only natural way i know of... it made me realize a lot of stuff... needless to say i'm not that ignorant anymore and i whole heartedly am in support of transgender folks... so again... i say that is really fucked up what this person said to you... and i apologize for not giving you support earlier... tracey

Reply from: KF on 5/12/98 at 9:35AM.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!! I just read all that stuff on that link I'm I'm totally pissed off. Where does that asshole person get off saying that shit about Kathleen. I never saw anything about this on the messege board. If I had I most definately would have replied. You, Kathleen, did not in anyway deserve to be mocked and treated like shit by the person who wrote that. Obviously her concept of transgenderism is fucking backwords and unrealistic. What the fuck kind of stupid idea is it that you can't be transgendered until you're 18, just because you can't legally get surgery until then. Not only is that stupid and trans-phobic, it's also extremely ageist. Like it's okay to patronize you about this because you are under age. "Oh a 15 year old doesn't know anything.!" what a shitface.. You have my support. feel free to email me if you'd like.

Reply from: taylor k on 5/12/98 at 10:22AM.
GRRRRRRRR!!!!! How fucking insensitive can people be? And to think that these e-zines are supposed to be girl positive.

Reply from: subdural on 5/12/98 at 10:37AM.
argh .. how fucked up! i told some of my friends about this (one of whom is transgendered) and we're all going to write letters to her .. oh, and i heard somewhere that this person BOUGHT the rights to the word "riotgrrl" .. is that true? ..

Reply from: natty on 5/12/98 at 10:56AM.
what a fucker! i wrote her immediately after reading it and gave her my piece of mind! everyone do not support her site. her attitude was unbelievable. she sounded like an intern at the Rush Limbaugh show!

Reply from: zeepp on 5/12/98 at 11:06AM.
yeah, i responded to this the first time, but i'm gonna respond again. it's sick..it's messed up..and it's fucking disgusting that this was on what's trying to pass as a girl-positive site. riotgrrl.com, yr goin down! everyone should write to em! c'mon, c'mon, c'mon!

Reply from: natty on 5/12/98 at 11:38AM.
AND, HERE IS THE REPLY I RECEIVED FROM "GRRLGAMER"... "Kathleen Anne Smith wrote to us informing us that we should add as many transgendered lesbians to our staff as we could. She continued to write to us, annoying the hell out of us and we have no doubt that she ( he, it) and her bored friends are probably behind this hotmail addressed communicae as well." Unbelievable!!

Reply from: zeepp on 5/12/98 at 11:59AM.
fokkin hell. i'm so pissed off. i just sent them another e-mail explaining what the words transgendered and transsexual mean. no response yet...

Reply from: nikki monster on 5/12/98 at 1:33PM.
whew.. it's rad that people are being supportive! also, let us not forget that this person who maintains the site has a tradmark on the phrase "riot grrl." (with two r's, anyway).. and supposedly her sites are feminist driven.. well, i guess there's an age requirement on her brand of feminism. fuck that.

Reply from: kathleen on 5/12/98 at 1:40PM.
thanks to all of you wonderful peeps... can i add one thing? she's lying through her teeth. i never said they should add as many trykes (transsexual lesbians) to their staff as possible... i didn't even say to add one. i just asked why there wasn't a queer perspective. didn't demand one, DEFINATELY didn't say they should cater specifically to trykes... she knows she doesn't have any kind of arguement to stand on. hugs and love forever, kat

Reply from: zeepp on 5/12/98 at 2:36PM.
fuck. i just got an e-mail back from Nikki at grrlgamer. here's what she had to say:

"If Kathleen were a real person then the actuality is she is NOT a girl but a boy and does not fall into our message of grrl-centric positiveness and personally I'm sure transgendered people have their own places to go. I don't think anyone at 15 has enough life experience under their belt to decide they want to be another sex. And the lesbian part? Excuse me, but I'm a boy who wants to be a girl so I can be with other girls? Gimme a break! Anyway, we are not interested in discussing this issue further but would rather focus on games."

Reply from: kathleen on 5/12/98 at 3:02PM.
actually, psychiatrists' opinions are beginning to change... in england, some are suggesting that transition (hormones at the very least) begin at age 8... nikki (the editor) has no idea what she is talking about. i can't stand the lack of knowledge she keeps displaying... she thinks she has the definitive opinion on an issue she knows NOTHING about... what would you all recommend doing? why don't you send me all the responses you get (e-mail me) with your original message, and i'll post them to the game newsgroups and mebby send to some of the advertisers... unless someone has a better idea? hugs and love forever, kat

Reply from: KF on 5/12/98 at 8:36PM.
yuckity yuckity yick.. this nikki chick needs some serious re-education..... *steaming* oh did anyone else notice that she changed what's on the freakmail thing? I wrote her too.. I haven't gotten any responce though.

Reply from: Tracey on 5/12/98 at 9:06PM.
carly... i did and i got this response... oh and it has my response to her... "Tracey - the thing is (and this is remarkable too) the freakmail has been up for over two months and yet today for the very first time I have received at least five letters from hotmail accounts proclaiming us bigots and that we discriminate against transgendered lesbians. My favorite is that you call us little girls who don't know anything about empowering women. I love that. I really do. I counter that empowering transgendered lesbians do not in fact do a thing to empower WOMEN. But I know better than to argue with someone who is part of this sudden jarring hotmail DEFENSE of 15 year old so-called transgendered lesbian Kathleen. This is great stuff for me actually, wonderful fodder for an article I am writing for WIRED. Look for it in the near future."

and my response:

look... the reason you're getting so much from hotmail is because people are taking notice from another site... a site which i frequent... and which most people who go there have hotmail accounts... if you'd like you should give a snail mail address and i'm sure you'll get lots of hand written responses from folks... if you'd like you can also have another one of my email addresses for juno...

the reason why empowering transgender women who may or may not be lesbians is important to feminism is because feminism is about equality, at least it was the last time i looked, and if you're going to go out and seek equality for yourself then there should be no reason why you would deny that same right to someone else... or are you one of those women who call themselves a feminist and only gets interested in issues that directly affect yourself? saying "to hell" with anyone else's issues...

i think you need to get off your high horse and realize that there are issues out there that may not impact your life directly but that does not mean that they aren't valid or important issues that should be addressed... and your site really isn't diverse enough for me to take it or you seriously.

i think that you telling anyone that their opinion doesn't matter because of their age, gender, race, whatever... makes you exactly like what you fight so hard against... you discriminate and if you like i can give you the definition so that you can understand this... regardless of what you might think gets you off the hook for being rude and making a mockery out of someone else life... you still made bigoted remarks toward this person... and i think it's odd that for someone who likes to come off as being intelligent that you still haven't replied or even acknowledged a few things... #1) the reason why you will not have a more diverse line-up as to not exclude anyone party and become discriminatory... #2) that your remarks were not just rude but also bigoted... #3) the fact that feminism is about equality and just because you may subscribe to certain ideals does not exclude you from being wrong at times... i am certain that these remarks will go unanswered too... because all you can seem to do is make silly excuses without really answering anything...

you said you'll being using this stuff for an article? i don't remember giving you permission to use anything i say to promote yourself? the last time i also checked... you had to get someone's permission for that too... so i will be looking for your article... tracey

Reply from: nikki monster on 5/12/98 at 10:52PM.
go tracy! i'll have to check wired next month for this article.. it's obviously affecting her somehow if she's so inspired to write about it in a mainstream "pop culture" magazine.. which, i might add, is so close to tabloid propaganda.. just in a different jurisdiction.. i.e, the computer industry and "revolution." whatever. i think wired is crap.

Reply from: holiday golightly on 5/12/98 at 11:57PM.
i didn't think that i could say anything intelligent, but since nikki at grrlgamer is not believing the hotmail addies, i decided to post from my northwestern account... here's my letter...:

It is definitely wrong that you have laughed at Kathleen for being a transsexual lesbian, but the fact that you made bigoted remarks towards lesbians, trannies, and young people is unforgivable. I cannot believe that in a remark you wrote to my friend Tracey you said that "I counter that empowering transgendered lesbians do not in fact do a thing to empower WOMEN." Being a woman does not just have to do with what equipment you have on the outside, what matters is on the inside. And Kathleen *is* a woman inside if not out. You have no right to use the word "grrrl" or to call yourself a feminist when you are most definitely prejudiced against whomever doesn't fit into your specific category of "women." The definition of "woman" is not a static concept and it is appalling that you take your chastising of those who are young, transgendered, and lesbian without any seriousness. Don't you realize that it is remarks like yours is one of the reasons why feminism is dying? It's not until every feminist realizes that we must deal with equalizing the classes, the races, and the genders before we can ever get to equalizing the sexes.

Thank you, and I hope that soon you can start your education on these issues to make yourself a better woman, like Kathleen.

Sincerely, Heather Slania

that's it... i hope it helped some... xoxoxo heather

Reply from: zeepp on 5/13/98 at 9:16AM.
UGH! fuckin hell..

"Nikki wrote: A question for you - why on earth would you waste your time on this? What for? What do you hope to gain from it? How does it make you feel? Do you realize that what you are doing to me is exactly what you accussed me of doing to this so-called Kathleen?

Do you realize that your comments have no meaning to me or bearing on my life as I believe the entire episode to be entirely fictional?

If you would like to read about games, please visit GrrlGamer. If you would like to argue about transgendered lesbians and those kind of Jerry Springer anomalies I'm sure you can find a website that will fit the bill and entertain you in that fashion.

And finally I never said in my letter to you that this was a hotmail conspiracy nor that I received any other letters.

This is starting to bore me."

Reply from: heather galaxy on 5/13/98 at 10:14AM.
this is what i just got from nikki!!! grrrr....

>"Please Heather and Tracey: get a life."

what!!! and that letter that lisa got is fucked up!!! someone should doooo a web page that includes all the letters that nikki has sent us (including the original stuff if possible) .... this is sooo ridiculous!!!!!

heather

Reply from: zeepp.the.transgendered.welcome.wagon.twit on 5/13/98 at 12:03PM.
haha! i got another one. sounds like nikki's getting a bit flustered.

"Nikki wrote: Excuse me you twit, but it happens to be my website! I'm not posting my opinions in the transgendered times or on friends of the transgendered - I'm posting them on my own website - you have come to my website and in effect spit on me in my home! You have the choice - if you don't like what I said - then don't come to my site - but what gives you or anyone else the right to take me to task? Who the fuck are you - the transgendered for all welcome wagon? Christ - I am telling you - your little game has gone too fucking far. It's boring and you people have too much time on your hands.

Reply from: KF on 5/13/98 at 3:09PM.
arggg!!!! I'm getting continualy more and more pissed off.. This woman is so fucking out of it if she thinks transgendered lesbians were invented to be the new freak act on fucking jerry springer.. that's the most bigotted thing I've heard in a while...

Reply from: zeepp on 5/13/98 at 3:17PM.
hey kathleen, i'm workin on putting a page up about this. do you have the original e-mails to her/the freakmail stuff saved? cuz it's gone, and i don't have it, so..if anyone has it, please email it to me. thanks.

Reply from: Tracey on 5/13/98 at 4:00PM.
okay... so here is what the little silly girl wrote back to me... i do have to warn you it's pretty long

"Tracey I don't have to get anyone's permission to write something. I've been doing this for a long time and trust me on this sweetie, everything is grist for the mill. If you had wished to not end up being as such you should not have written to me.

The reason I find this so fascinating is that it is such a colossal waste of my time, so much so that it's becoming almost therapeutic - it's really a study in Net psychology and for that reason I find it fascinating. Let me answer your ernest questions point by point:

"look... the reason you're getting so much from hotmail is because people are taking notice from another site..." Regarding the hotmail: hotmail is known on the web for being a repository for people who would like to remain anonymous. You obviously have a REAL address for your hotmail to be forwarded to and I'm interested as to why you are not using that. My guess is you are hiding behind your hotmail address as I believe the other people who emailed me today were. I have no problem with that, but if you are going to take a stand at least have the guts to take your stand legitimately and not from a hotmail account. You know my REAL address. For this reason I cannot believe that your criticism or the other emails I received today regarding this issue are in anyway genuine and not somehow related to the 15 year old who started this entire farce.

"the reason why empowering transgender women who may or may not be lesbians is important to feminism is because feminism is about equality, at least it was the last time i looked, and if you're going to go out and seek equality for yourself then there should be no reason why you would deny that same right to someone else"

I don't label myself with outmoded ideals that are completely passe. Feminism is too limiting. Any -ism is limiting, it means I must subscribe to certain tenets and beliefs or I don't belong and I have many beliefs and don't like to pigeonhole myself. Equality doesn't exist and it never will. I don't fight for it, argue for or against it. If you do, that's your choice. I am enjoying how you are screaming about discrimination and bigotry and yet you are forcing your ideals and beliefs on me even as I write this. You are guilty of exactly what you are accusing me of. This being a free country and all, I am well within my rights to consider the plight of the transgendered lesbian as completely absurd and having no meaning to me or to my life.

i think you need to get off your high horse and realize that there are issues out there that may not impact your life directly but that does not mean that they aren't valid or important issues that should be addressed... and your site really isn't diverse enough for me to take it or you seriously.

But you are taking me seriously baby, you've written to me twice. My site is not about transgendered lesbians or any lesbians for that fact - it's about gaming. People who want to read game reviews can find them there. For transgendered lesbians they will have to go elsewhere. If you are so concerned for their cause perhaps you should dedicate your time to developing a site for them.

"i think that you telling anyone that their opinion doesn't matter because of their age, gender, race, whatever... makes you exactly like what you fight so hard against..."

I am not fighting about anything. I have opinions, thoughts, ideals etc, but you'll find no banners on my site for a cause other than my own. I love gaming. I write about it. At RiotGrrl, I love media and popular culture so I write about it.

"you discriminate and if you like i can give you the definition so that you can understand this... regardless of what you might think gets you off the hook for being rude and making a mockery out of someone else life.."

I have hardly made a mockery out of this persons life. If I had that power and that was all it took, I certainly would not waste it on upsetting a so-called 15 year old transgendered lesbian who suggested I should hire more of them to write reviews on my staff.

." you still made bigoted remarks toward this person... and i think it's odd that for someone who likes to come off as being intelligent that you still haven't replied or even acknowledged a few things... "

This kind of childish put-down has no mettle with me as I certainly don't gain my self-esteem from the email ramblings of an insufferable hotmail account holder.

"#1) the reason why you will not have a more diverse line-up as to not exclude anyone party and become discriminatory... "

Again you are assuming that I DO NOT have a diverse line-up. How do you know this? What makes you think for one second that I do not have lesbians on my staff or male homosexuals or any other special interest groups represented, or that I might not be a member of such a group myself? The site is about gaming and no one talks about their sexual proclivities (as if that has anything to do with gaming), but you, like the 15 year old are simply assuming this. Frankly, it's none of your business or anyone else's who I hire or what my sexuality is or that of my staff members.

"#2) that your remarks were not just rude but also bigoted..."

I am bigoted it's true against people who LIE ON THE NET to prove some kind of juvenile point. I do not believe that Kathleen is a real boy with these problems. I don't believe it and regardless, I don't care if he or she is real or just a joke or something to do when teens get together and are really bored. You will never win your arguement because I would need to believe there was a valid one to begin with. You and the others are playing a very slow, very dull game of solitaire.

" #3) the fact that feminism is about equality and just because you may subscribe to certain ideals does not exclude you from being wrong at times... i am certain that these remarks will go unanswered too... because all you can seem to do is make silly excuses without really answering anything... "

Nor does it exclude you for being wrong. I'm not interested in your point of view or anyone else's who would take umbrage with me for calling someone out on what is obviously an Internet joke. And if it wasn't a joke, if it were for real, my final word on this is - where the hell does some 15 year old transgendered lesbian get off thinking it can tell me who to hire and how to run my business and that they don't like my site because it's not filled with transgendered lesbian writers? As I said to the kid who started this by shooting off their mouth in such a rude and completely unwarranted manner, start your own gaming site for transgendered lesbians.

Thanks for writing in and taking time out of your life to focus on something this completely asinine. A tasty little diversion. Good clean fun. Thanks and here's a joke for you:

What did one transgendered lesbian say to the other?

Exactly who is it we want to fuck?

Have a nice day.

so yeah... she made a few good points... i think i'm being generous in saying a few... but other than that... i'd have to say my whole opinion of her is... well basically that she sucks... tracey

i will be writing her back... you can count on it

Reply from: kathleen on 5/13/98 at 4:19PM.
the thing is though, i never did (or would) tell her to hire anyone... let alone transsexual lesbians like myself. it's her site. i simply backed up another person's question (which nikki didn't answer (well, she did say "lighten up" after printing the whole letter)... i just asked if it would be possible to include a queer perspective. (and as far as what she said before about the site not being for trykes because we're "not girls," (i don't even need to tell you what's wrong with that statement) the site has a lot of boys who work on it and frequent it, anyway). so, anyway, does she think i went and got a million hotmail accounts to yell at her? or made all of my high school yell at her? ::rolls her eyes:: hugs and love forever, kat


Reply from: cherry bomb on 5/13/98 at 4:44PM.
ack! i've been away from my computer for a couple days (and the msg board) so i've missed this thread. i'm back and i've written. not too much... i didn't speak much about the transgender issue since i don't really know what to say. i don't really know enough about the issues to speak intelligently about it. i commented on the fact that fogg is now taken away. bye bye to fogg. poo poo to her. she said something about going to the new media conference here in toronto i just made a little comment about it and hoping noone throws a drink at her or something. :) i also told her she was wrong about hotmail and how it works. anyways she's totally wrong. and i said all of what i said from my email account at ICA which is registered in my real name which she can see if she'd like and i gave her my snail mail addy in case she wanted to continue this discussion thru that medium of communications. um my response to her wasn't as good as any of yrs but i had fun writing it and pointing out her little mistakes, inaccuracies. umm... later. -angela kay

Reply from: KF on 5/13/98 at 4:55PM.
GRRRRRR!@#^*&#^!@#&!(*&@#(!@&#)(!~)(#*)!#!@ Oh man, I'm about ready to find this fucking Nikki person and shake her and scream at her. This woman is so fucking ignorant. *rarararararar* well she wrote me back to and here is what she had to say:

The freakmail was taken down from the site because we started a new feature. If anything is being circulated on the web it is not through us. Thank you for your delightful youthful opinions and your support of transgendered lesbians everywhere. We will forward your mail to sites specifically set up to entertain transgendered lesbians and other people like yourself you call themselves "fucking queer." Have a nice day.

And here's what I replied with:

Oh thank you so much for your sarcastic smug comments. And for side-stepping the fact that the way you treated Kathleen was absolutely disgusting and outrageous. You dwell on the fact that I'm young instead of taking my points into consideration. So if I was 21 or 35 you'd be more open to hearing what I have to say? That is incredibly small minded. And you seeem to be incredibly small minded. I'm aware that you think that people have/are writing to you as some kind of "hotmail scam" and that could be the only possibility considering Kathleen isnt really a trans lesbian. Well fucking wake up. People are writing to you because they think your behavior is ignorant and dispicable and they(and I) want to call you on this. Who the hell are you to decide whether Kathleen is a trans lesbian or not? You don't know anything about her. Could it be possible that maybe you made a mistake? That you said things without having any information whatsoever? I think at the very least you owe her an apology. Oh yeah.. thanks for also picking out the fact that I call myself a fucking queer to make a point of. carly

Reply from: ramon on 5/13/98 at 5:19PM.
what do you mean about `games´? What is this girl referring to? and what i found miserable was the comment adressed to zeepp: `What do you expect to win from this?´ sheesh.

Reply from: zeepp on 5/13/98 at 7:56PM.
here's another:

I say the same thing back to you. Besides I never asked for feedback regarding this issue and it was you toots, who ATTACKED ME. So what the fuck do you expect? You think I would respect someone who just attacks me for something they read on my own site? And this is what you call polite?

i am SO angry right now. i hear she'll be in toronto, huh? when angela? we should crash her li'l party. i just wrote back again. the funny thing is at the end of my last e-mail to her, i told her that if she was bored by the issue, that she could simply delete my e-mail. "just don't write back, Nikki!" ha, i guess she isn't all that bored, huh? everyone! keep e-mailing her!!!!!! also, thanks for sending me the e-mails kat. i'll get em up on the page asap. this is so crazy. keep posting any replies you get, k!

Reply from: cherry bomb on 5/13/98 at 7:59PM.
she's at the new media conference starting tomorrow (thursday) lisa. i think it runs until sunday but i'm not sure and i don't know where it is. i wonder if she's speaking there? now bugging her then would be fun. she's so fucking igrnorant. i haven't gotten a response yet. can't wait to see what she has to say. next time i will be more controversial than i was this time. i was sorta lame. i guess i wasn't in a bitchy mood or something. well i am now maybe i should write another. :) <3 angela kay

Reply from: cherry bomb on 5/13/98 at 8:35PM.
ah but back to the topic at hand! the page is an exellent idea! wowee! lisa ya rock. (of course EVERYONE already knew that) oh and i don't know if it's already been said (but i don't remember it) has anyone emailed riot-grrl about this? like say someone who's "in charge" don't they have a head grrl or something there. i'd like to see what they'd have to say about their grrrl gamer. ahh and i think it's stupid they trademared their name... that's so fucking stupid. um okay. bye. xox angela kay.

Reply from: nikki monster on 5/13/98 at 8:38PM.
she is the head girl.

Reply from: kathleen on 5/13/98 at 8:40PM.
nikki douglas IS in charge of riot-grrl, from what i gathered... but i think grrl-gamer, while run by ms. douglas, is pat of the imagination network... or something like that. the same thing that http://www.next-generation.com is a part of it. it's this huge gaming thing... mebby we should e-mail them, if we can find an e-mail addy? hugs and love forever, kat

Reply from: cherry bomb on 5/13/98 at 8:52PM.
she is the head girl. damn yr all right. that's so horrible (not hat yr right but ya know). well i was just looking around riotgrrl.com a minute ago and i found something called Gay or Straight in which 5 girls debate whether certain hollywood actors are gay (incl. nikki). oh gosh. first of all the whole concept is so fucked up. but then this is something said there:

"I'm with the confused idea. He is so young, how could he have an idea of what the hell he wanted?" - Vicki

she's talking about leonardo dicaprio and whether he's gay or bi or straight... too young to know if he's gay eh? fuck that. i was looking over the rest of the site... it was all pretty lame. poo!!! xox angela kay

Reply from: zeepp on 5/14/98 at 7:59AM.
another one from Nikki..did everyone get this? how'd she find our webpages?

You grrls sure have had some fun haven't you? I think your home pages are very sweet. Especially the Riotgrrrl stuff, and given that association, now let's put this to bed, ok? I appreciate your youthful exhuberance and think it's great that you have such tremendous passion, but really think you need to channel it to your writing, your zines and not to something as completely negative as what you've been doing here. This is all really good and powerful stuff to be thinking and talking about, but part of the learning process is to know when it's time to let something go. You will never win this argument, nor be satisfied by my responses regarding these issues. It's time to let this old grrl get some rest! Keep questioning, keep talking and keep thinking. And seriously, check out TeenGrrl (our new site which launches June 1st) it's very edgy and has some incredibly bright young women working on it. take care, grrls. Nikki Douglas RiotGrrl/GrrlGamer/TeenGrrl